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    September 23, 2011
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breaking news. a brutal day on wall street, your stock portfolio likely taking a beading plunging 400 points and after plunging 500 points earlier. fears of another global recession fueling the sell-off. key international markets opening right now. all eyes on them as everyone is wondering if this bad day turns into an all out international downward spiral. investors spooked by messages
from the federal reserve wednesday warnings of significant risks to the economic outlook including strains in the global financial markets. joining us erin burnett. and steven moore, and senior political analyst, david gergen. what was behind the sell-off, erin? >> it was pretty amazing. what ben bernanke said yesterday was exactly what the market expected him to say, we know things are weak, we know europe is a severe issue. him saying it even though they knew he was going to say it makes people more worried looking for something to hold on to and a little bit of hope. most people say this is a dramatic sell-off and you might see stabilization. that isn't the same thing as saying we aren't in a real economic problem, we know we are. >> it seems the markets are underwhelmed by the feds latest move to kick start the economy.
is there anything they can do? >> certainly not the fed. the fed has been deluging the economy with money the last three years. this idea of more purchases and government bonds ben bernanke announced yesterday i'm not so sure they had a very calming effect. erin is right. and the president's speech wasn't very helpful. monday, the president announced a trillion and a half-dollar tax increase in 2013, 14, 15 months away. that was a very bearish drury message in an economy hobbled. >> david, do all roads lead back to the president? >> not all roads. there is great fear what's going on in the eurozone and some fear u.s. banks are shaky and three had credit downgraded the last 48 hours. concern about china and manufacturing. the chinese stock market down 20% year-to-date.
other concerns. part of this, we have been the number one economy and the driving force. we're supposed to be the locomotive this help other nations get out of this and we're exactly the opposite, the caboose in many ways. yes, it does involve politics. typically economics change our political scene. in this case, the deterioration of the politics dampening the economy. to stoll low up on steve's point, there is a growing sense in the industrial and financial community, i've been talking to both, both a jobs bill and deficit bill, prospect for doing anything seem to be slipping. >> do you agree with that, the political gridlock is playing a role? >> i think it's a huge role. fed chief bb a patriotic man whether you agree with everything he's been doing. the problem is washington and
capitol hill are not doing anything. gridlock is a big issue. you look at the root of the whole problem and what really could fix this, a little bit of oversimplification, u.s. houses prices 30% off the highs and still dropping yesterday. as long as that's the case, our economy won't get better and the world economy won't get better. the fed can't fix that and mortgage rates can't fix that. people can't buy homes and there's nothing they can't do. >> i agree, anderson. i don't think the problem is gridlock right now. the problem is at the top, a leadership problem when you have this zits phrenic message from the president. remember, 10, 12 days ago, the president said he would do a tax cut to help businesses grow and then said we will have a trillion and a half-dollar tax
increase on top of that. right now, the parties are so polarized, the president has not put anything on the table congress can buy into. they need stimulus, the right kind of stimulus not another $800 billion spending program. >> he is clearly putting the blame on the president. >> everybody's fingerprints are all over this. we wouldn't have had the debt fight we did had republicans not pushed that to the limit. we have the biggest drop in consumer confidence as a result of the debt fight in years. republicans bear some responsibility. >> the sense, anderson, in the job creation economy, to help us get out of this, in washington, we don't see any help coming and looks like everybody has gotten in campaign mode all thinking about 2012, i do think the president's plans, for good
reason in one sense, they were political documents, not governing document, a real sense in the country, can't you guys spend three to six months helping to fix the economy in serious way, like tax reform and get off the trail for a while? >> do you think we're already in a recession or heading back that way? >> interesting, most people would say, yes, right, the experience people have 25 million unemployed americans and more underemployed would be a lot of people would say it's shocking we're a couple years out of a recession, they disagree with that. technically speaking a lot of data have not shown we are falling into another recession. a lot of very influential people -- >> george soros thought we were back in one. >> and mohamed, one of the most influential bond managers in the
country own a lot of u.s. debt at pimco and thinks we are in a financial crisis and one thing that could turn the tide and gridlock issues would be resolution of the european problem. if you had real resolution there, that would be significant and turn around people's sentiment and sentiment really and trust and confidence is what this is all about. that could prevent a recession. >> australian markets are down. >> the problem, erin, if we hit a double dip recession, i pray that would happen because american finances are just clawing out of the last financial meltdown with the housing crisis. if we had a double dip recession right now, we could see this budget deficit go from 1.3 to 1.4 to 1.8, 2 trillion dollars and put is in an even bigger hole. the problem we borrowed so much
money in the last three years, we're not in any position now to deal with the double dip. it's a very scary situation, especially after the census numbers came out last week that showed declining family income, rising poverty levels and 9% employment. >> anderson. there's a parallel between europe and the united states. in both, we're suffering from weak political leadership. >> right. >> depressing note but we have to end it there. appreciate it. thank you. we have something at the end of the program to make you smile and laugh. stick around for that. remind you erin's new show here at cnn, "erin burnett out front." very excited for that. >> that's right. please watch so we can give you a good lead, anderson. >> let us know what you think on facebook and on twitter. i'll be tweeting tonight as well. breaking news on a shut down showdown on capitol hill. that's right. we're back here talking about a shut down waiting for a new vote in the house to keep the government running after september 30th. the measure failed yesterday when republican lawmakers wanted more spending cuts to pay for disaster relief aid. what's going on? "keeping them honest." ungodly discipline, new allegations of child abuse at a fundamentally can't school in indiana and some students saying they were hit to the point some students considered suicide. >> we constantly lived in fear of looking the wrong way and doing the wrong thing. >> we were brainwashed and our parents were brainwash and you
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"keeping them honest." here we go again on the brink of a possible government shutdown. all that talk of compromise. the do-nothing congress. we're waiting to pass the bill to fund the government to november 30th and then only for seven more weeks. it failed in the house last night. 230 to 195. 48 republicans defected and only it was way to there was a 12% approval rating conducted in the "new york times." they said there weren't enough spending cuts 0 offset the $3.6 billion in disaster relief money. you can decide for yourself if you think funds for disaster relief for agencies like fema should only be available if they're offset by spending cuts elsewhere. this is the first time ever funding for people affected by tornadoes, hurricanes, floods,
fires, you name it have been used as a political edge. right now, that aid is in limbo until this bill gets passed. majority leader eric cantor said he wouldn't hold up disaster relief. on think >> no one is holding any money hostage. >> he said no one is holding any money hostage. they are tonight even though cantor pointed out his district needs the aid. his district was hit by hurricane irene and hurricane last month. house speaker boehner seemed caught off guard and desperately tried to get his party on board and failed and at a news conference dismissed there was chaos and that they would fail. >> the founders gave us a committee now 535 individuals. trying to get 535 people to come to agreement on anything around here is difficult. we've known that going in. we'll work our way through this.
i have always been confident we'll be able to come to an agreement and we will. >> speaker boehner earlier today. at this hour, we're waiting for a new vote on the measure expected at any moment and we will see if republicans came to an agreement as mr. speaker said they would. house gop leaders have unveiled a new proposal to offset the cash wanted for disaster relief by cutting $100 million from a government loan program that granted a $535 million loan guarantee to highly controversial solyndra solar company. joining us is david gergen and gloriaberger. when you hear them say they're not playing politics with disaster relief funding, especially as the possibility of a government shutdown looms, do you buy that? >> anderson, both sides will try to make points.
democrats will do that in the senate and gloria has been reporting on that, to make points off the fema thing. i do think they will get something passed. i don't think there is a government shutdown. the amount of money at issue here is actually modest. what this has done, it was one of the things a backdrop to the markets going down so much today. investors looking, saying, my god, those people in washington haven't made peace and can't agree on this tiny bit of business. it is fueling the sense that they're not going to be able to get a big bargain on deficits and maybe not live up to the agreement on the debt ceiling in august. >> that's the whole problem. when they cut this deal on the debt ceiling, when we pass a bill to keep the government rung, a continuing resolution, it will be clean.
then we had these disasters as the republicans in the house say we need to pay for those disasters. i just got off the phone with the senate democratic leadership aide who said to me if the house bill passes tonight, with more offsets, spending cuts for disaster leaf, the senate will reject it. that senate democrats will reject it. what they eventually will do is pass a clean continuing resolution to fund the government with fema funding separately and deal with that -- don't forget the fema money for disaster relief expires early next week. so we will move from one crisis to another crisis. >> is this the way business is just going to be done now, david? especially between now and the election. can anything major get done between now and this presidential election? >> anderson, one held out hope
for that, i think, a few months ago, they could actually make real progress and get breakthroughs before the election. i think that hope has diminished sharply in the last few weeks. everybody here has now gotten into campaign mode. this is something president obama foresaw some months ago. this is the reason he wanted a bigger deal in august because he thought as we got closer in, it was going to be hard. now the white house has gotten into politics, too. everybody is playing the game. there is a growing feeling big breakthroughs have to wait the next administration, whoever it is, and the next congress. >> here's what complicates all this. what really complicates it, you have a republican primary going on. don't forget those republican presidential candidates were all out there, most of them, saying, you cannot pass an extension of the debt ceiling. you have congressional leaders who -- republicans who feel they want to get something done as i
think john boehner felt early on in this process. but they have to try and be on the same page with their presidential candidates. the presidential candidates are appealing to a republican primary electorate, very very conservative. i think gridlock is in the offing because republicans' hands are tied by this primary. >> what's so frustrating about that, we're seeing today the markets reacting in part to this gridlock. >> of course. >> this is costing people their fouks, this is costing people their money. >> it could cost people their disaster relief, if that doesn't go through. >> exactly right. a lot of people's 401(k)s you can measure from the s&p 500, down 7% over the last two days. some people are losing not only their housing value but now their 401(k), again taking hits.
that's what's so frustrating about this. i have to say, it's not just that the republican candidates are tying their people up and asking for loyalty. look at norm dicks, a democrat who was going to vote for this continuing resolution, very independent, fine congressman, came under pressure from his caucus on the democratic side to vote against this continuing resolution, to stop things because they're playing their political game, too. >> absolutely. they're playing it on both sides. guy you think the democrats want to separate out the money for fema? because then they can say that the republicans don't want to fund disaster relief. >> it's just games. back and forth. >> terrible. >> just games. >> david gergen and gloria borger. and the trial of the doctor of michael jackson, will they get a jury and start trial tomorrow? stunning allegations of child abuse and we will hear from the pastor who runs the school. ♪ [ cellphone rings ]
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dramatic testimony in a federal hearing looking who whether sea world or orlando should be charged in the death of one of its animal trainers. her name was dawn branshaw. it wasn't the first time he had shown sign offers aggression. david kirby was at the hearing. he joins us in orlando. joining us today. dawn's spotter testified he saw him pull her into the water before ultimately killing her. what did he say? >> his story was a little different today than what he told the orange county sheriff's office and keeps evolving over time. initially fell in and drowned and then pulled in by her ponytail.
today, it changed a little bit saying dawn was lying on her back in the water doing what's called a lay-out with him and he gets on his back and they were laying together and then said dawn got up on her knees and the next thing he saw was dawn pulling at her ponytail. while uncross-examination from john black the osha attorney, she was lying in the other direction and couldn't see her hair and assumed it went into his mouth and his testimony completely contradicts what other people saw earlier this week a former nypd officer said she was pulled in by her arm, looked as she was giving a left-hand turn signal as she went in and jan works for the fbi a credible witness as well. >> what is the significance of all of this? why do the details matter so much? >> the initial belief was sea
world would try to blame this on dawn and say she never should have been in that position and never let her ponytail flow int the whale's mouth and we had four witnesses say what she was doing was completely approved by sea world. if sea world wants to stick with what's called the ponytail defense. osha will counter that because there was another woman pulled in in her clothing and they needed to desensitize the whales with clothing and hair and other objects and sea world never desensitized he whale to hair so i don't think they get off the hook. >> there was another trainer who tried to rescue dawn from the attack and talked about 2006 where a killer whale showed aggressive behavior. >> she was at the slide-out area when a young whale named ike grabbed her leg and wounded her
and she gave him a signal to open his mouth and fortunately he did. she got out of the pool. a medic was called. treated orn site. the injuries were fairly minor and she sat down with her supervisor and they listed the incident on the incident report. today in court, it was presented that that incident report never made it into the incident log. >> that's interesting. >> when sea world says they only have 99 incidents, we have now heard of five, six, seven, 10 more incidents that happened that never got put into the log. >> the question underlying all of this, should these whales even be in captivity like this and is there something about being in small pens in the wild and go for miles in straight lines and swimming round and round their entire lines stuck
in these pen, does that make them more aggressive? that's the underlying question? >> i have spoken to scientists who say they do believe it does and signs these animals are stressed out. today, the government's witness, dr. david from british columbia had a different take. said aggression is part of being a predator. these are top predators and evolve successfully because they are aggressive and he also said it wasn't necessarily the stress of captivity, the sheer proximity to these whales so unpredictable. in the wild we don't get up close with killer whales, it only happens at sea world. thank you very much. coming up, ungodly discipline, beating kids in the name of god. we started looking more than a month ago at a boarding school that resulted in a tragic death of a 7-year-old girl not at the boarding school but in a family and now uncovering abuse at another religious school in indiana. first, other stories in the "360" bulletin. >> a disturbing discovery in southern libya. a cnn crew was taken to a warehouse containing bags of yellow powder marked
"radioactive." it's not confirmed it is radioactive but authorities do say moammar was stockpiling yellow cake that can be used for nuclear purposes. in a speech at the united nations, iran's president denied his country is developing nuclear weapons blamed the united states for many of the world's problems. mahmoud ahmadinejad also made disparaging remarks about the holocaust. delegates from france, germany, uk and the u.s. all walked out. representing dr. murray in the trial of michael jackson, says he thinks a jury will be seated by tomorrow afternoon. the satellite expected to fall, the federal aviation da issued warning for pilots calling it a potential hazard. nasa said it poses minimal risks but also said they're not quite sure where the pieces will land,
those that do re-enter. yeah. >> all right. i'll be looking up? . >> time now for the shot we found in youtube under jedhi cat, why we were looking under jedi cats, i'm not sure. a little hokie and pretty impressive editing. may the force be with you. watch. i like that. >> that's pretty cool. >> there you go. >> yeah. that's a little much. or as trekis would say at that point in time, it goes on, live long and prosper. >> you're a treki, aren't you? >> i -- i'm picking up an attitude or a tone. >> no. i say that with nothing but admiration and respect. curiosity. >> from the guy who kept a snake as a kid. >> by the way, that was "star wars," not "star trek."
>> i know that was "star wars." i'm saying while we're getting all nerdy. >> do you even know what "star wars" and "star trek" is? did they have that wherever it is you group in britain? >> where i group, yes. too did they dub it to the king's english? >> vader. you are scary. >> darth vad-er. much more serious stuff ahead. the 14-year-old boy who killed himself, his family said he was bullied to death. a criminal investigation has been opened to see whether the kids that bullied him may be charged with harassment or hate crimes. and un-godly discipline, new allegation of child abuse at a fundamentalist baptist school in indiana and saying they were hit by staff members. >> he told me to bend over and said, pull down your pants. i kind of hesitated because it doesn't sound right, even to a kid.glover. nationwide insurance, what's up ?
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tonight, a new part in our series ungodly discipline. when religion is sometimes used to mistreat kids. we started looking into this more than a month ago. speaking to michael and debbie pearl, authors of a controversial book called "to train up a child" a manual that says 0 god wants people to spank kids with belts and switches and wooden spoon and for it to be effective it causes pain and gave a demonstration guided by demonstrations in the bible. >> rubbing the spaghetti all
over your head, you shouldn't have done that at 7 years of age. >> okay. >> that hurts. i'm 50. >> okay. >> you know, i mean, i -- >> there aren't any marks on you? >> you would hit a 5-year-old like that? >> yeah. sure. >> the pearl's book was found in a fundamentalist home in california, where authorities say a couple in the name of god, beat their kids regularly, and so brutally they beat their 7-year-old adopted daughter to death. they're both serving prison sentences. what we found looking at cases like this, child abuse in the name of religion is not isolated but happens in private homes and schools as well as. gary tuchman reports on a school in indiana facing allegations hard to comprehend. >> reporter: roger is a powerful man, extremely influential in fundamentalist baptist circles. >> we believe the bible this is
word of god. >> reporter: his indiana church is called fair haven baptist. on the well manicured grounds there is also the fair haven baptist academy for children and fair haven college. the pastor has led thousands of children and their families for four decades. >> you said children are born depraved, born liar, they have to be trained to be good. do you still believe that? >> yes. the bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of god. >> reporter: the bible also says he who spareette the rod hateette his son. >> my philosophy is three swats. it should sting but not hurt. >> reporter: it's not considered unusual in some in the baptist community and corporal punishment is legal in some schools. these students are now speaking out saying what they endured was way beyond anything taught in
the bible. >> how many of you have had suicidal thoughts. every one of you. >> we constantly lived in fear of looking the wrong way and doing the wrong way. >> we were brainwashed, our parents were brainwashed and you followed what roger said. >> reporter: these former students said the pastor did some of the hitting but most by its staff. alison was in grade school when she ys the principal came to the class to paddle you. >> he'd call you to the front and pull a chair out, bend over, look at that lunch pail and pull the paddle up. hi was so tall it practically touched the ceiling and he would swing it really a hard. hard enough for you to move forward, he'd move the whole chair forward. >> this is in front of the whole class? >> yes. >> reporter: jeremiah sousa was in the 7th grade when he encountered a school
administrator. >> he spanked me, and the paddle split down the middle and started back over holding the paddle together so when he hit me, it would pinch the skin on my bottom, bruised and bleeding. >> reporter: samuel bayne also was in grade school when he says he got it from a church maintenance man. >> he told me to bend over and said pull down your pants. i kind of hesitated because it doesn't sound right even to a kid. we were taught not to question people. >> then he did what? >> he lit into me. >> they said not only were they hit when they were here but done with great effort to humiliate them in front of the whole class, bent them over a chair. is that still done today and do you think that's humiliation? >> yes, it is still done today. i suppose it is humiliation. humiliation is not the big
thing. >> what i'm saying to you is god doesn't say anything about humiliation in the bible. >> no. >> he does talk about sparing the rod, that is mentioned in the bible. >> yes. >> why the humiliation? wise that necessary? >> habit. >> i'm a minister, i speak to youth and teenagers. >> reporter: darshel mccoy is a proud baptist he says during a mission trip 15 years ago he was forced by a fair haven administrator to keep drinking liquids after he urinated in a shower. >> my stomach is out to here and i'm puking over and over and one man comes up to me, don't you puke again, you better not puke. i'm puking everywhere, all over my clothes, all over people's stuff. they put one of the older kids, senior boy, put his stuff at my feet and said if you puke again, this boy is going to beat the
snot out of you. i'm trying hard not to puke. they made me do that until i peed on myself. >> i never heard that story darcel was a lot of trouble when he was in school and i'm not saying he was totally lying about. i don't know, i wasn't there. >> is that something you will investigate? >> i will. >> reporter: it was a long time ago but probably worth investigating. >> yes, i will. >> reporter: jermaine my yah says he was tormented by faculty members. >> i was secretly taking piano lessons and found out and called me in front of the youth group and called me an fag, qeer and he was raped and told no one for years later. >> i was raped for three years and i was told it was my fault and i went and told the pastor and asked if i was giving money at that time and said because i wasn't giving money i was violated. >> plain lying.
that did not happen. if it happened, i would be the first one to drag the person to the police station. >> reporter: then, there's lois crosby. she started at fair haven more than three decades ago. she says the brutality was too much for her. >> i've actually overdosed twice. the second time, i overdosed, even the doctors don't know how i'm alive. >> all seven of your former students said they either thought or tried to commit suicide. a, are they lying to me and b, how does that make you feel? >> it makes me feel bad but i really don't believe it has anything to do with us. >> reporter: there are also these two former students. tell me your name? >> frank. katherine. >> reporter: katherine and frank, two of the pastor's children, he and his wife adopted when they were young. >> i haven't spoken to him in 25 years.
he won't speak to me. >> reporter: frank said his father got mad when he wouldn't finish a 10 mile run. >> he stripped me down and hit me until he couldn't move his arm anymore and i was black and blue. as punishment i had to wear a dress in day camp tore -- for the entire day to show what a sissy i was. >> you ran cross-country and came in second place. he said what? >> told me i was never to lose a race ever and lifted my skirt up and beat me with a belt. >> we did nothing but to try to help frank and his sister. we hadn't planned to adopt anybody. >> reporter: but you did. i'm asking if that was true? >> no. we spanked frank. you said as far as sending him to school in a dress, no. >> reporter: pastor voegtmam feels his children and these former fair haven children are malcontents and embellishing and
says almost all are happy but these children say he runs a church that ruined many lives. >> i don't know what love is. i don't know how to love somebody. >> reporter: before we left, the peek who work at the church gave us a souvenir they're proud to hand out to all visitors. it's one of the paddles they use to strike the children, comes complete with words from the bible. says fair haven paddle. this versus from the book of proverbs. who that loveeth his son, chasteneth him. >> do you ever have any doubt you're not faithfully and accurately following the spirit of god's word in the bible? >> no. >> gary tuchman joins us. it's fascinating to hear the pastor's perspective and the polar opposite of these kids. >> allowed to oversee religious schools so it's very hard to have any kind of religious investigation at religious
schools. we don't know there is, we don't think there is. in 1970, the head master went to court and charged with battery and assault of a child and the pastor veogtman was charged with aggravated assault. they were found not guilty but jurors said they would have found them guilty of a lesser charge of child abuse, nevertheless the church considered that a victory. >> the pastor says almost all the students are happy. do we know? any truth to that? >> there are certainly a lot of happy students. we can't characterize the percentage and also a lot of loyal students targeted by an e-mail campaign not to run the story. we got in scores of people who were very unhappy and terrorized of that school and others afraid to talk on television. i can tell you, anderson, if we included every story from every
former student we talked with, it would take the entire night on cnn to tell all those stories. >> fascinating he hasn't talked to the two kids he had adopted. >> a horrifying story for everybody. by all means, you think you love those children, the children loved him but haven't talked to them in a quarter century. appreciate it. an update on different kind of child abuse, teenage bullying we've been following. 14-year-old jamie took his life sunday after online bullying and slurs against his sexuality. now, we learned the police opened a criminal investigation to see if three students in particular should be charged with cyber-harassment or hate crimes. new york state does have anti-bullying law that took place last year. we recently teamed up with the cartoon network facebook to get all angles. there is an app on facebook to pledge to do everything you can to stop bullying. go to . up next, jaysjaycy dugard filing a lawsuit. ridiculous is coming up.
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very disconcerting experience. >> reporter: in a parking lot near the stadium. >> driving like a improvement >> i don't think like a improvement. >> reporter: you're watching a minor miracle that's me driving. yes, i am blind folded and no, my passenger, dr. dennis hung is not worried, because he and his students built this car to prove a point. you don't have any doubt in the world that blind people can drive? >> i believe so. >> reporter: back up. what was that? blind people can drive? >> i believe so. >> reporter: the connection that led to this conviction came when dr. hopping's acclaimed robotics lab here hooked one with the national federation for the blind. at first, he assumed what the federation wanted was a robot-driven car but they said, no, a blind driver had to be in control. >> obviously, the driver can not see the car seat, the car needs
to see for the driver we use the laser range finders. >> reporter: his team installed laser range finders, cameras, gps, a massive computer in the back of an suv. >> ready? >> reporter: and as they began testing for everything prom speed control to crash avoidance, he listened and listened to what the test drivers told him. >> i think one of the biggest secrets for our success was that we worked with the blind. >> reporter: the result? a car that electronically watches the road and feeds the driver a stream of information through a simple pair of buzzing gloves and a pad on the seat. so, all of these signals are actually coming from the car itself? >> yes. the vibrations in your knuckle tells you how to steer the vehicle. and the vibration that you feel from the seat and the patterns tell you the speed of the
vehicle that you're operating. >> reporter: testing is kept to about 25 miles a hour in controlled environments for now, but hung believes in just 15 years with many refinements, one of these vehicle does truly be ready for the open road. >> i'm so happy. >> reporter: taking blind drivers to a place where limitations end and limitless begins. tom foreman, cnn, blacksburg, virginia. coming up, rem has broken up and some of us are really broken up about it the "ridiculist" isp ] ♪ [ mechanical breathing ] [ engine turns over ] ♪ [ male announcer ] the all-new volkswagen passat. a new force in the midsize category. ♪
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time now for the "ridiculist." tonight it is with heavy hearts, we have to add one of the greatest bands of all times because after 31 years and 15 albums, rem has broken up. bob searing around the silver bullet band, still touring. just sailing. i wanted to spare you it's the end of the world as we know it reference, for legions of fans
it feels that way, certainly the end of an era. rem posted a message only their website yesterday. we were in denial all day yesterday. the message says the as life long friends and co-conspirators, they have decided to end the band. "we walk away with a great sense of gratitude, finality and astonishment at all we have accomplished to anyone who has ever felt touched by our music, our deepest thanks for listening." just like that with sincerity, humility and appreciation, rem basically dumped us to on a post-it know. i got say rem this seems like it came out of nowhere. speaking for the fans, comment you have given us a chance to change your mind? ♪ 1983. bassist mike mills writes on the website there hasn't been any falling out among the band members, the time feels right to say good-bye. basically, the it's not you it's
me speech. look, i get it. most beautiful from up, 1998. guitarist peter buck writes an unbelievable gift being part of fan's lives and see us again. still want to be friends with us that is great. we can work it out, all go to counseling or something maybe. ♪ orange crush, rem live 2005. from theman michael stipe says the skill in attending a party is knowing when it is time to leave, which, yes, i suppose their prerogative, giving us great music from three decades no farewell tour? not even one last show? maybe if we just called them a whole bump of times late at night, leave a whole bump of tearful, pleading, increasingly desperately sounding messages on the answering machine, pain they will come back. i that is the best way to handle this. ♪ >> 1992. only allowed to play a little of
each song. believe me, could have done it the whole "ridiculist" would have been me sitting here, songs play, the 360 staff members, who shall go unnamed, weeping in the background. they started now the athens georgia, 1980 before the youtube, the itunes, before the auto tune, earned their fans the old-fashioned way, making great music, constantly writing and honing their sound, getting in a van and hitting the ground. some credit the band with creating college rock, creating alternative music. the fans, rem has been nothing short of a soundtrack to life, starting their formative years and continuing all the way into middle age. thankfully that soundtrack leaves wuss a whole pile of songs to help us get through this thanks for the awesome breakup mix tape, rem. let us know when is there a reunion tour there will be a